get and fact check. one of the thing i used to do when i would do this debriefing or interview would be to ask the person -- look if this is true, how can i prove it? something else you have to look at as well, how did it come up during the interrogation or during the interview? was maybe the idea somehow planted unintentionally by the -- by the interviewer and the subject just kind of picked up on and it ran with that narrative. >> that's interesting. all along, mary ellen, you