can survive all of this. now that flies in the case, anderson. that is obviously white house spin because it flies in the face of what we've been seeing over the last couple of weeks, which is administration official after administration official testifying and just offering damaging information to these lawmakers, saying that the president was essentially engaged in a quid pro quo with the president of ukraine. the question i think over the next week, anderson, is whether or not we see more damaging testimony that matches up with what alexander vindman and bill taylor said and so on, and it may all come down to, anderson, what john bolton has to say. if he indeed testify, that could be the super bowl in all of this, anderson. >> jim acosta, thanks very much. back with jim axelrod, gloriaberger, david gergen. gloria, the idea of it all comes down to bolton, that's an incredible roll of the dice. i don't know that anybody really has any idea of his perspective. there was that story he said compared something that he was hearing from sunland and others