participate in the process. i think they laid out that case very well and republican members did. i thought that worked out well. the last thing i would say briefly is i think they introduced the notion that if you don't stop this now, if the checks and balances don't work, this president will assume he can get away with it in the 2020 election, and he will be looking for foreign countries to help him. >> well carl, that's one of the points chairman nadler made, which is that this phone call to the ukraine president was made the day after mueller testified, and that was an example of if the president feels he's vindicated on one thing, he then will do it again. >> well, that's true. i think what the democrats are trying to do is show an evidentiary case and show how the facts stack up against the president of the united states. what the republicans are trying to do is say the process is unfair. one of the things is we've seen no attempt by the republicans from the beginning, going back to mueller, to try and learn the