departure. but we have no evidence that that departure will have any influence on putin. he wasn't part of the inner circle. he actually opposed putin in 1999, even though for the last 20 years obviously he's gotten back in putin's graces. really we don't know if he's going to talk. we don't know if he has the goods. again, we have no evidence that the people around putin, one, are really allowed to speak out and speak their mind to him, but, two, have any influence over him right now. and if there are a kind of second level of officials who are doubting the war, if there is, they certainly have no influence on the top echelon around them. >> there's been such focus on oligarchs and confiscating yachts and taking money. do the oligarchs really have the power they once did? >> i think if we define oligarchs as rich russians or ultra rich russians, of course there are still oligarchs, and they still have power. and we know a lot of their names