about it. >> you know, that is kind of who he is. he tries to be dispassionate with these things. i have known the man for more than a decade, and his pacing, and storytelling like that, this is very much who mike pence is. i don't think that it was interesting when jake pushed back on him and said, you said the president became part of the problem, but he was the problem. and it took the vice president a little while to get to that and to move on there. that is part of the problem he is going to have. people who like donald trump really like donald trump, not necessarily mike pence. there are a lot of people out there, i was watching social media go through as the town hall was going on, people who are very upset with him for not being forceful. that is not who he is, he is not the iconoclast that a lot of people expect in