>> why? your country is so advanced in so many other ways. why in this area? >> the network problem here in china, we have gfw, the great firewall, and it blocked a lot of important information websites. inside china. and a lot of people, they can't get the cutting-edge technology, which we don't teach in college at all. so the human resource problem and the manpower problem is more and more -- getting more and more serious here in china. >> because everyone's going to the silicon valley? >> they offer better. obviously. oh, here are the -- >> these are the famous ribs? >> yes. >> maybe the number one thing that the serious food-craved traveler coming back from shanghai will tell you to eat other than the soup dumplings, of course? zeran paigu. or simply, cumin ribs.