in the nation. the city of chicago is under siege with shootings and murders. so having a new set of laws or initiating a new set of laws is not the answer here. >> yeah. how do you explain -- >> everyone keeps saying 9/11. we took the last decade of usable data. >> to leave out 9/11 is sort of to place the whole thing out of context. >> still doesn't add up to -- >> that is true. first of all, these are different things flatly. these are not the same thing. when you look at what would happen if some of these terrorist threats were not addressed and went through to fruition. we could be talking about a mushroom cloud over a u.s. city. the shootings are going to happen. it does happen in other countries by the way. when you look at this as a function of laws, people play