>> anthony: michel cousins is the co-founder of the english-language paper the libya herald, and has known several different libyas in his lifetime. >> michel: for so long, the news has been the personality. gaddafi turned up to open a shopping center. gaddafi turned up to open an envelope. those of us who knew libya, who knew there was another libya, uh, wonderful people, we would talk about it as you talk about a dead person. "do you remember this? do you remember that?" and then in february 2011, suddenly, there was resurrection. the dead came back to life. >> anthony: we meet at a libyan coffeehouse, a traditional, male-only sort of a joint. café culture is big here, a holdover from the days of italian colonization, when mussolini tried to rebuild rome's long-lost empire. >> michel: it's just been the most amazing experience seeing the rebirth of a country, of a people. >> anthony: i mean, last night's