>> anthony: but bocuse, too, is and was a part of the system. he came up with his own cruel and terrifying masters. and their faces are here. [ daniel speaking french ] >> anthony: fernand point, the towering and intimidating figure behind la pyramid. out of his kitchens came such figures as alain chapel, michel guerard, francois bise, roger verge, georges perrier, the brothers troisgros, and many more. >> daniel: this was all the gang of the nouvelle cuisine up there. in the '60s in new york and paul and michel guerard. >> anthony: every great chef i've ever met has nightmares of they're still a young man, they're back in a kitchen, and a chef is yelling at them. who of his masters? >> paul: la mere brazier. >> daniel: la mere brazier. the woman. >> anthony: really?