hold raqqa. and the reason we won't give them heavy arms is they're connected to the pkk, which is a terrorist organization, a marxist group, that turkey will not allow us to arm. so this overreliance on the kurds, i think, is just a fantasy. at the end of the day, i don't see the pyk being able to change the tide of battle against isil. but the idea of a more american troops supporting the iraqi ground units makes sense to me. trainers at the battalion level, more american ground components to do training and advising in iraq is a very good idea. i would support the president if he did that. >> it's interesting, our clarissa ward just got back from syria -- or in iraq right now. she was in syria with those kurdish forces. you know who she says doesn't want u.s. troops on the ground in syria? the kurdish forces fighting isis. you know who she says does want u.s. forces in syria? isis. >> i heard that. >> isis wants that imagery there. what do you make of that?