were really laughing at trump and not with him. >> is that enough, though, for jeb bush? don't ruin our lightning round yet. kevin, you. >> we're at that stage right now where momentum is really crucial. and i thought ted cruz had the best night because nobody did -- you know, we had this anticipated battle between him and rubio. >> yeah. >> and potentially him and trump, which we didn't see a whole lot of. but i don't think anybody slowed his momentum right now. you're seeing 15, 20-point bumps in the polls in some of the early primary states that cruz came out of there without any nicks i think was a good sign. >> let's drill down on the ted cruz phenomenon. one of the thing taz people are talking about most from this debate was ted cruz versus marco rubio on a number of issues. metadata collection, national defense spending and you also had immigration. for the first time, a confrontation over marco rubio's position on immigration. let's listen to what they said. >> there was a time for choosing, as reagan put it,