political front. we also want to bring up this poll, a cbs news poll. let's show. it's interesting, a third of americans surveyed think that eric shinseki is the one to blame for the va problems. here's the question. is it the buck stops here with him and his head needs to roll or is he being made a fall guy here, margaret? >> this is like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. this is a system that has been broken for decades. i don't know why we're suddenly just outraged about it. there's plenty to be outraged for a very long time. to increase accountability, increase quality care that veterans were going to be getting, and look what's happened. i'm not sure that actually firing the secretary is going to fix the problem. >> look, the problem is the administration knew that there were problems with delays, that actually were leading to deaths. the administration says, look, we've increased funding 58%.