a commando made with american troops? >> let's never forget abad bad, in a pakistani town, we had incredible assets, bring an incredible amount of force to a small area like that. you send a couple hundred people in like that, we could probably do it. the question always is intelligence. the military likes to go in with what they call eyes on, they can actually see the hostage. they don't like to go in and take an empty building. the chance of getting, as barbara said, getting that intelligence is fairly remote, almost none. >> barbara, we've had some successes and failures with these commando-style raids to free hostages. in the most recent one, two hostages were killed. does america and perhaps this is the question pentagon the mulling about, would they have the stomach for losing american commandos to rescue a jordanian pilot? >> it's not really a question of whether the pentagon has the