shoes, to think that the president of the united states, my boss, as it were, but also the most powerful man on earth, is personally attacking me, as i try to do really a citizen's duty, show up before the u.s. congress, speak the truth, that has got to have some intimidating effect. >> and broaden this out a step, josh. this isn't about just these people who are being called to testify, this is about all of the federal employees, the officials, the aides who are watching this play out and also still tasked with carrying out the president's foreign policy agenda. i mean, what is the impact there? >> this president is leaving a path of devastation through the federal workforce. that's in part the ukraine story. him taking foreign policy out of the normal channels, out of the hands of professionals and experts, and instead using it, abusing it for his own purposes. but now even as there is an inquiry into all of that, he's doing the same thing again. he is diminishing, demeaning,