biden? he's still the frontrunner in this race. he has been through the entirety of it. but when other candidates have tried to take him down a peg, it hasn't always worked to their benefit. does someone try to do that? the other thing is elizabeth warren has been more aggressive on the trail about taking on biden and buttigieg, specifically, bloomberg as well. does she take that to the debate stage or leave that to the campaign trail? does she want to do that in front of millions of campaign voters? i'm curious to see that, kate. >> this is the first debate since the president has been impeached, it was just last night. what do they do with that? >> it's also very good timing because nancy pelosi hasn't sent the articles over. there is a little political leverage here. trump likes to be a winner. right now he is a loser. he is impeached. we all think he will be -- that the votes will go in his favor in the senate and then he can say he's exonerated. but right now from a tactical point of view, that's very