to avoid catastrophe here because they have done it many times in the past, raised the debt ceiling with democratic support to make it an easy path. but even just getting to the edge of disaster and avoiding it when it comes to the debt ceiling could have reefl al eff, could be bad for the economy and the country. democrats can do this alone. do you think it is smart to wait any longer and take this any closer to the edge? >> that's up to senator mcconnell. as you mentioned, it is hypocriti hypocritical. by the way, i've always supported increasing the debt ceiling, whether a republican or democratic president. it's like a family sick of paying the mortgage, they won't pay the mortgage. that's not going to work out well for that family. it's not going to work out well for our country. we will do it alone if we have to. the imposition by mitch mcconnell of the reconciliation process which he's talking about