friends and family are fearing for begin dinner, for casual events. testing should not be the limiting factor. we shouldn't be having to ration tests and think if this event is pretty important, we need to test for that. testing needs to become a ubiquitous part of our lives as we figure out how to move on and live with covid-19. >> when you lay it out that way, it sounds like there's no way, that it will be a long way off before testing availability is ramped up enough at this point to really make a difference. is that what you think? >> yes, but what i would love to hear from the biden administration is a commitment to get to that goal. they did a phenomenal job with something a lot more complex which is vaccination. i mean, to produce vaccines that are really finicky and require specific storage and distribution, they were able to figure this out to the point that within a matter of months, a few months, everybody who wanted a vaccine was able to get one. we now need to do the same thing