that's veiled language for using a nuclear weapon, they always practice in their exercises. so he has deterred and this is the russian strategy, to deter western intervention. so i don't think there's a way we can get that reinforcement in to kyiv or into ukraine without risking a confrontation with russia. are we prepared to do that? that's the question. >> it sounds like, i don't know, i don't even know if catch 22 is the right thing to be saying but seems impossible, that choice you're laying out right there, general, but one they're confronted with, the united states is confronted with for sure. really quick finally. we heard president zelenskyy saying he's not afraid to talk about neutral status regarding nato. one of his advisers saying they're now considering the proposal to hold talks with the russian delegation in belarus. what do you make of that? >> well, that reflects the fact