insurgency and sending over reinforcements to kyiv specifically, he says that that means you're confronting russia. i don't think there's a way we can get that reinforcement to kyiv or into ukraine without risking a confrontation with russia and are we prepared to do that? what do you think? >> russia is confronting democracy. they're confronting human rights. you saw a russian tank run over a civilian car today, severely injuring that person. russia, inside its country, kills journalists and jails opposition leaders. outside its countries, it has disrupted our democracy and the democracies of others in the west and now it's a part of the largest invasion since world war ii. i don't think we have a choice. they seem hell bent on moving farther west and russia has already confronted us. so kate, i would say it's time to start punching back and right now, that means making the fists of the ukrainians much stronger as they do that in their own country. >> are you okay with it if that