that i'll go true through in my head probably like a checklist, probably after the midterms in '22. one, do i really want to do it. not do i like the theory of it. do i really want to do everything you have do to get there and then to execute the job once you are there. two, do i see a path to winning? not just a theoretical one, but one i can see given my experience. and, three, is my family supportive of it. so if those three boxes get checked, then i'll run. and if only one of then doesn't get checked, then i won't. >> can you see yourself running against donald trump again? >> i could see myself running against anybody. >> that's a yes? >> including him, yes. sure. >> him running wouldn't preclude you from running? >> i will not defer to anybody if i decide i want the run, including him. no one in my mind on the scene at the moment is worth deferring to. nobody.