would be covered with rakes. ra rakes are teeth on teeth, you could see blood and scratches and he would just be raked up. >> both females would gang up on him. >> tilicum was the one we trusted. we never were concerned about him. the issue was we stored the whales at night in what we called a module, which was 20 feet across and probably 30 feet deep as a safety precaution because we were worried about people cutting the net and letting them go. the lights were out, there was really no stimulation, they were in this 20 x 30 foot pool for 2/3 of their life. >> when we first started they were quite small and young, so they fit in there quite nicely. but they were immobile for the most part. >> it didn't feel good. it just didn't. it was just wrong.