there's no -- i don't want to say it at first but then everything's possible at the moment. >> yes. absolutely. and it will be interesting to see if there are witnesses and confirmed reports of people who saw something because right now all we know is that this airplane was ascending to 38,000 feet and after vectoring around a severe thunderstorm that other planes before and after encount encountered encountered, all contact with the plane was lost. we are told they do have the coordinates of the last time that they heard from this plane. and as you just said, it's believed to have disappeared between two islands. how far off the coast are these islands, yusuf? do you know? >> it's not that far. it's 400 kilometers between each of the -- kalimantan and puli --