orthodox jews who believe their old testament, some muslims, even the dalai lama who believe that certain behaviors -- by the way there's a whole big list there, and -- hang on, van. can we not agree that it is absolutely different believing in your faith and believing your saeb celt text, and having a hatred and a bigotry towards people? >> that may well be, but i want to ask this question. i am also raised in the church. my grandfather was a bishop in our church. i'm raising my children to be kids of faith in california, which is sometimes controvers l controversial. we have a lot in common, but i want to say this and say it even more forcefully. if i were to point to the bible and say -- to point to the parts of the bible that say slavery and say i believe that black