have been illegal. i'm not a lawyer but i assume so. i don't know know the law exactly but it doesn't sound good. >> that's illegal. you cannot solicit a power to investigate your opponents. >> giuliani's interference was well known around the state department and that officials were fully aware disclosing he discussed giuliani with s secretary of state mike pompeo. sondland rolled his eyes and said yes, it's something we have to deal with. envoy to ukraine kurt volker testimony is now public where the president directed aids to talk to rudy giuliani about ukraine. the president dismissed recommendations he meet with the ukrainian president saying they're all corrupt. they're all terrible people. i don't want to spend time with that. volker said he became aware of the hold on military aid july