professi profession often refer to is conduct disorder, which is the junior version of what people grow up to being the adult version of anti-social personality, there are a lot of those folks in prison. it starts someplace. unfortunately i think what we have is a group of kids that may be heading down that path. again, qualitatively different. >> here's the part that troubles me about this. they're looking for two other young kids. they had one on friday night. maybe they're look fog are a third, they're a little soft on the numbers. that's fine. they can't find this kid. that's unusual to not find a kid that age. they're vulnerable, they don't have resources and connections the way somebody who is connected to an organization or an adult might. what's your read on that? >> it's very, very unusual. and i have to say, chris, the picture that was described by the 13-year-old who has been apprehended of the knife going in to tessa majors repeatedly and feathers flying from her