see in kids of this developmental phase. and that speaks to what we in my profession often refer to as conduct disorder, which is the junior version of what people grow up to being the adult version of anti-social personality, there are a lot of those folks that are in prison. it starts someplace. unfortunately i think what we have is a group of kids that may be, you know, heading down that path. again, qualitatively different. >> right. no, i hear you. paul, here's the part that troubles me about this. they're looking for two other young kids. they had one on friday night. maybe that's the kid. maybe they're looking for a third. they're a little soft on the numbers and that's fine. they can't find this kid. that's unusual to not find a kid that age. they're vulnerable, they don't have resources and connections the way, you know, somebody who is connected to an organization or an adult might. what's your read on that? >> it's very, very unusual. and i have to say, chris, the picture that was described by the 13-year-old who has been