were born on a plane, now they have to address how many marines have died, and how many friends will die if we pull out and win. >> the problem for them is if they had an easy good answer, we would have heard it already. but p.j., righteous media, i appreciate you, i appreciate your service and your clear eyes on the situation. i know you're working with all of these other veterans. i refer to the digital dunnkirkf you go online and see the hash tag, you'll see the network of concerned veterans trying to get people out. a frustratingly desperate situation. be well, brother, and thank you. >> thank you, chris. ahead we're going to turn to someone who is proof of this desperation and frustration. i introduce you to ishmael, he decided to take it upon himself to try to leave his family and try to go to afghanistan, and he couldn't get there. he's back in seattle, desperately working with a group of friends he's brought together trying to get people out, and these bombings scared the hell out of him because his family was waiting in line.