and that makes it so we're in an ir rational society and democracy just can't function. so, if we have a replay, if this continues, it's going to hurt everybody. it's going to hurt republicans. it's going to hurt all journalists, all commentators. it really needs to stop if we want to preserve the country that we have. >> and what about these lines being blurred between those in trump media and trump government? you know, he enlisted fox news anchors as his advisers, hannity, ingram and so on. he hired a former fox exec bill shine to run his communication shop at the white house, had robert els helping him with the debate in 2016. it goes on and on. if trump or someone like trump were to take office in 2024, how much further can we see that line get blurred between the government and the media? and what does that mean for the first amendment, for the free press in this country? i mean, it was almost becoming like a state tv type situation