>> with us very versus anybody else. >> lives would be changed if something like medicare for all actually -- >> we have to focus on what's the core principle here. it's not important in principle that the government be in charge. the government ought to be part of creating a solution. what's important in principle is everybody get healthcare. we will challenge the private sector by competing them out of business or daring them to come up with something better. we can't come at it from ideology frame and govern well. or win. what we can do now is not watering down values. we have to focus on what we can get done. it can't wait four years or ten years. >> there was a moment obviously castro was referring to biden's memory and soon after you and others you reacted. you said this is why presidential debates are unwatch