>> evidence that the system needs to be reformed so that people, the border agents aren't put in that position so that people coming into this country aren't put in that position, that there is a humane way to enter the country without people having to possibly come in to contact with people on horses and so on and so forth. that is the -- that's the definition of systemic, whatever it is. systemic racism, systemic whatever. it's built into the system. the system is created or set up in a way that it isn't fair to anyone, really. >> i agree. now, look. we have a this and that. this is you use any part of your horse or your tack the wrong way to abuse somebody, you're going to be held to account. they'll do that investigation. that is i'm telling you, don, i believe that politicians on both