is and he goes out and sells it and the people buy it and gobble it up like thanksgiving dinner. steven colinson says bannon never hit his desire so he may relish the challenge and chance to launch a political cause. if so, he'll prove again once powerful figures who resolve to define normal guard rails of political behavior and in trump's case the rule of law itself often find they can operate with a degree of im imp impunity. that is frightening if that is indeed what is happening now or that is allowed to happen. what does that say about the future of our democracy? >> look, it could be a cause but you can go to jail if you break the law. i'd caution against sort of fearing the future of democracy because a bunch of knuckle heads continue to defy subpoenas that.