found this was unacceptable and so he wouldn't take the initial jobs that were offered. stayed in the army and eventually bush made him chairman of the joint chiefs and powell accepted and they had quite a close relationship but that initial, he wasn't going to play ball with even a president who had played the willy horton card in a very ugly political race baiting way. >> yeah. it was an awful ad, an awful time for those of us old enough to remember that. another interesting part of your s interview with him is this comment of this characterization of him as a reluctant warrior. here it is. >> reluctant warrior. whatever that is asked of me, i said it. true. i am a reluctant warrior. >> yeah. >> i don't like wars. i don't want to be a warrior but remember the other thing that is