minneapolis, minnesota, they will have to get this right. we're tired of people being killed and slaughtered for anything. >> we know we talk about derek chauvin a lot. let's talk about george floyd. as you guys are doing your thing i'm talking to the families. and the family felt like we're being put on trial. george floyd is being put on trial. did that ever -- did you ever feel george floyd was being put on trial when it was actually derek chauvin who was on trial? did you feel that way, nicole? >> yes, especially after when i could actually look at what was being talked about in public eye and such. >> was it character assassination? lisa? >> i believe so. >> why? >> i've heard comments that george floyd may have been led a life less than stellar, so why are we -- why are we putting him up and honoring him because of