event of the capitol riot. so for them, this is actually very, very important. and so they can get details from some of the people who already are cooperating. and we know that there are a number of those people that are cooperating and providing -- filling in those blanks that the records that they have don't provide. >> well, i mean mark meadows, i guess you can say, has done that in part because he's already turned over key communication records to the committee, right, and committee members, telling cnn that some of the records are from his personal device. >> reporter: right. >> so what does that tell you? >> reporter: well, i think one of the things you immediately heard from meadows and his attorney is that he's very angry about this because he only learned about it in recent days, that he says these are extremely -- these are very, very personal records, and he's citing this as one of the reasons why meadows is pulling back from what he said was going to be cooperation with the