concept of corruptly typical donald trump can apply to him or will he say listen, i thought that mike pence had this power, i didn't mean to do what people think i meant to do. it wasn't my fault. i didn't know. and that's really been an argument that has done well for him in a civil litigation realm before he took the white house and then also with the various investigations that went on including the impeachments while he was president. >> just for just for a little bit, what has happened that the truth doesn't matter, the law doesn't matter, it doesn't apply to me because i'm not getting what i want. i will continue to defy the law. look, what is -- have you ever seen anything like this in your -- the years you have been doing what you do? it just seems -- it's crazy to me. >> well, you know what? you know, don, as i tell my law