you say. she was the richest self-made woman in the world. as of 2015. and now she's looking at a very long prison sentence. that in a sense is unprecedented. the story itself feels to me mythic and broader american ways. of great rise and precipitous fall. >> did you say pt bar numb and gatsby? >> our may doff. >> start up culture at large. will there be more legal over sight in a sector where criminal prosecution dried up? essentially. >> great question. these are rare cases. people consider them very hard to bring. i work cases like this on the civil side. it is routine they'll call when they are called on and just etc.