like just, people don't think that way. but in his mind, he just didn't view -- like he viewed this kind of, this humanity in every person that allowed him -- >> that allowed for the possibility of connection. >> sorry. the capability of connection was always there and he would say, you know, it's hard to be human. that was something we remember and talk about often. and i think those kind of go hand in hand. he is seeing, he saw the humanity in everyone. and you know, kind of, he didn't tolerate, he didn't tolerate fascism. >> meanness, cruelty. >> because he -- he hoped and
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