of fact. but there are more and more culprits that get worked into his theory so that he can continue to insist that he won in spite of even more evidence. >> did he ever at any point during the interview, steve, point out anything factual? because every time you challenged him on it, again, as i said, it was sort of a circular, well, this person is against me, this person is disloyal. they found all of this information. when you say they didn't he says oh, that is just not true. did he ever point to any evidence or facts? >> no, no. a lot of it is not really a fact you can check. a lot of it is a fact you can check and is wrong. like he says joe biden had 20 people at a rally. joe biden didn't have 20 people at rallies. he might not have had as giant a rally as donald trump did and so trump draws on that and says how did he possibly get 80 million votes? well, one thing doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the other. and so he is drawing these logical inferences that aren't based on fact. i'm not saying that to be for him or against him or in any way