>> laura, also tonight we are learning doj is looking into the trump supporters behind the fake 2020 election certificates that would have declared trump the winner in states that he actually lost. there it is up on your screen right there. do you think there is enough evidence here to file criminal charges? >> it is shocking to think people were so prepared to try to undermine certification process and undermine the will of the people. it wasn't just a hypothetical scenario reduced to a memo. there were actually people in position to provide fake, false electors in lieu of those who were actual electors to overturn it. this is all part of the overall strategic plan as we know about trying to advise the vice president then mike pence on what to do next. and so we had very clear rules in this country about not interfering with elections. it is criminal to try to conduct fraud in elections. of course it is curious here, fraud is a pretext for why you have the clawing back of so many voting rights in this country because of perceptions of fraud. well, if that's the guard rail