these people to provide this alternative slate of electors in various states. i mean that's what the committee needs to find out. these people were used in many cases. some -- you know, some wittingly and some perhaps unwittingly but i think they are all in trouble. they have to lawyer up. these people are going to now be under tremendous pressure legal ly and financially to defend themselves. >> don't you know one of the people subpoenaed? bill backenberg. he kicked you out of his gun club or something, right is this. >> he did. he was upset with me because said i wasn't sufficiently loyal to the president and he was mad at me. and i would do a fundraiser at his golf -- at his gun club. we would shoot sporting clays kind of like golf with guns. i am actually a pretty good shot so he kicked me out of the club because they wouldn't let me hold ap event there like i held every year. lot of fun but he was upset and he was i guess the chairman of the group of false electors