>> he didn't quite say that, but he came very close. and i think you're exactly right. what came across this time, most of us who have dealt with putin, who have met him, i'm met him several times, interviewed him once, were also struck by the fact he was very rational, he was very intelligent, clearly a russian national involvement, but what appears to have happened is he has become emotional, almost kind of like a kind of crazy emotional neuralgic attitude toward ukraine. so as you say a kind of description of ukraine as never really being a state, created by vladimir ilyich lenin, a product of soviet communism, a kind of bizarre series of assertions. and at the base of them this inability to recognize that there's a very simple fact here, which is the ukrainian people want to create their own nation. there's no kind of mathematical logic to why one nation should