all about the filler buster or -- look, the american public you can't stop them from voting. you tried last time. more people voted last time than any time in american history in the middle of the worst pandemic in american history. more people did. and they showed up. they're going to show up again. they're going to do it again. but what i want to do as i'm trying to bring the country together and i don't want the debate to only be about whether or not we have a filibuster or exceptions or going back to the way the filibuster had to be used before. >> isn't that the only way to get it done now? >> no. >> if you agree with the former president, you call him your old boss, it is a relic of jim crow. >> it is. >> if it's a relics of jim crow, it's been used to fight against civil rights legislation historically, why protect it? >> no reason to protect it other