we all have to get vaccinated, you know, for our own safety and the safety of people we love and of our neighbors. until that happens, we're going to have a continued problem. >> but the vaccinated can still spread -- the vaccinated can still carry the virus and spread it. go ahead, ron. >> the question is whether carrots alone can do that. you saw what governor cuomo did today, urging basically facilities to only allow in vaccinated to restaurants or concerts and so forth. and the question is whether you can get to the level of vaccination that you need solely with carrots or whether the administration is going to have to go further in the direction of sticks and further mandates than it has so far wanted to. and it's hard to imagine you are going to get what you need out of these red states with deep ideological resistance solely by offering them lottery tickets or $100. >> ron, let me ask you this because i think about this a lot. i think everyone should be