group, and really see what the trends are looking like. so there could be 12, 13, 14, 15 or 30 cardinals who garnish any votes in this first ballot. >> walk us through that process, will you, of who actually counts the ballots? how does that all happen? >> the cardinals will actually choose, if they've not already done so, a series of nine cardinals who will assist in the ballot counting process. there will be three who are essentially the tellers who will open the ballots, they first count them to make sure that there's the proper number. maybe sure nobody's tried to slip in a second ballot. and then they'll read off the number -- read off the names and there will be another cardinal tallying and all the other cardinals sitting in the room can tally off and keep their own count because they're reading them out loud. the second three are the three who would go, if there are any of the cardinals who are sick in dead at the domus santa marta and they have to go there and allow the sick ones, if there are any, it doesn't appear that there will be. and then there are three additional cardinals who are the