>> correct. >> you lived through this as a member of that community in trying to find him. the death penalty is a big question and it's a big question in a place like massachusetts where many people oppose it. do you think he deserves it? >> well i did live through it. i spoke to you during those few days that we were pursing this guy. so i may be a little slanted in my view. but i've never been a big advocate of the death penalty but i think in this particular case this suspect's actions, what he did to two innocent young women and a little boy along with officer collier, it was such a vicious attack and so directed and affected so many people that i think the death penalty is definitely called for on this case. >> so you believe in it. and even though -- so one of the survivors, jared, said when