i think he is a scam artist. i think we have a category of cultural christianity in this country of people who don't have a theology that connects with their political lives and civic lives. i think that's what we are seeing in this phenomenon right now. you have someone who speaks in brash egotistical terms, speaking of women with contempt, openly brags about having morality of an alley cat and says he has nothing for which to ask god for forgiveness. >> why is he doing so well with the evangelical vote? >> i think right now we're in a mode where people are communicating that they are tired what's going on in washington. anyone can see why that's the case. i do think you see a great contrast with ben carson. someone who wasn't attacking donald trump. he was differentiating himself from donald trump and talking about his own sense of humility and the way that he wants to approach things. i think that's a very stark contrast. >> let me tell you why donald trump is doing so well with