be seen. but this demonstrates there was some prior knowledge, facilitation, strategizing, and planning of the event that was an attack -- a physical attack -- on the citadel of our democracy. excuse me. and also, an ideological attack on the integrity of our elections. >> so, gloria, that brings us to what bennie thompson the chair of the committee is saying, that they want to hear directly from former-vice president mike pence. i understand of course that makes complete sense, right? but, you know, pence was the former vice president. anyone at his level of importance has not cooperated and obviously he was central to this. so, month ago, he was asked whether he would cooperate with the committee. he said, quote, we will evaluate any of those requests as they come. what are the chances that pence actually comes in and answers questions, and doesn't claim executive privilege or anything like that? >> well, i -- i think obviously he would -- it's very difficult with pence because, obviously, there are conversations that he