conversations were about, however. i was just told what they were not about. and we're continuing -- we're continuing to report that. but i think the committee really understands how valuable a witness barr could be, particularly if he would testify publicly and talk about what was actually going on in donald trump's head. because we know that he quit in december. he quit before january 6th. but he can sort of talk about the president's state of mind vis-a-vis the election. >> certainly, and obviously his decision finally at that moment to quit in and of itself says a lot about what he thought, right? i mean that's in a sense sort of definitional. elie, so december 23rd as gloria points out, that's when barr quit. but he was attorney general when according to politico that draft executive order was written that gloria referred to about directing the pentagon to seize voting machines. here is what the chairman of the