we've had misunderstandings on one or the other side. different perceptions on certain issues, namely iraq, guantanamo or even climate change and other things. we always had a pragmatic way to find a solution. now we are at the level that european leaders don't only lose faith in a partner but also their face. so the face losing aspect of it is actually to take the example of angela merkel. she was defending the nsa program this summer. this summer. she was publicly defending it despite being in an election and it was not very popular. she defended the nsa program. ads a committed trans transatlantacist, she defended it. and then to learn two or three months later that she personally was tapped and then to learn that actually the american president knew about it already in summer, that's one of the moments which i would consider being face losing relevance.