re-establishment of clarity and local communities about what counts as good evidence and the kinds of arguments and debates we want to have. >> you sound at the end of the day optimistic. is that something you get out of having gone around on the -- campaigning around the state? >> yes, absolutely. campaigning is just the most incredible source of hope. i'm a doer and implementer. when i see a problem, i jump in and i do everything i can in my power to fix it. as i travel around massachusetts, i have discovered i'm by no means alone. there are so many people in our state who are doing incredible things to bring help to their communities, to bring healthy partnerships, to build bridges honestly. there's an amazing partnership between social justice activists and police in lynne for example to build alternative police programs. there are those forging a path out of these dark times and i'm